who uses vBulletin on HR?

[Koss]

just curious as to how many people use vBulletin here?

[Mr. Popularity]

I have the full version, you can see it at: http://forums.powerpigradio.com/ It's awesome :)

[DesignQueue]

Tried it. XMB is better.

[Mr. Popularity]

xmb is crap

[MX3D]

XMB is crap. For one, its the most unstable board I've ever used. I should know, I ran one for 3 months. The upgrades were always a hassle, the last one I did ruined the damn board so I bought vB.

There is *no* comparison to XMB and vB, vB is superior in every way. Then again, XMB is a toy, a hobby.

XMB is nice for a small board developed by 14/15 year olds, but no way can it match vB..

[Mr. Popularity]

I suspect that people are trashing the LITE version of vBulletin. I have the full 2.2.1 version and its AWESOME !!!

[HeadStAtE!]

I'm a vBulletin user too, I've tried PHPBB, YaBB (latest version is PHP and OK), Ikonboard etc and it's worth paying the cash for vBulletin - it's fast, stable and the user support is good too.

[pestilence]

vb 2.2.1 best purchase i made. its excellant and support is better than almost any other

[burgeru]

The Ikonboard v3.0.1 RULES!!!

http://board.sathack.com

[DesignQueue]

XMB runs just fine. It's great if you are a real programmer and know what you are doing. People that trash it would be the ones that don't know how to tweak it and don't know how to program.

XMB has most all the same features and more of vBulletin and looks similar to vBulletin. However XMB is free of charge.

www.xmbforum.com

[DesignQueue]

Originally posted by MX3D
There is *no* comparison to XMB and vB, vB is superior in every way. Then again, XMB is a toy, a hobby.

XMB is nice for a small board developed by 14/15 year olds, but no way can it match vB..

Okay smartypants give specific examples of how it's superior from a programming perspective.

[anvil82]

why would a free forum be better than a pay one?

vb 2.21 rox

ikonboard is crap

[DesignQueue]

Originally posted by Prince


I just took a look, and it looks like shit. :)

Everyone is entitled to his/her own opinion. You must think vb looks like shit too seeing as how they are almost exactly the same in appearance.

[Brendan]

Check out OpenBB, its fast and free, and the new version of it is now packaged in with new accounts.

-Brendan

[MX3D]

Originally posted by DesignQueue


Okay smartypants give specific examples of how it's superior from a programming perspective.

For one, its got sloppy code. At least the version I used. Maybe they cleaned it up with the latest versions, but compared to vB the code is still probly sloppy. Not only that, but it hardly as any features compared to vB. Plus customizing XMB is no where as powerful as vB. I've seen some of the customized boards that run XMB. Its not that impressive.

Secondly, its unreliable. With every new release I tried, something went wrong, when I followed the instructions EXACTLY how they were written. With one release, they forgot to test it out and it wiped out my board. I had enough when that happened and got vB.

Third, support is nothing like vB. You are *not* going to get the same support from someone who is making a board for fun/hobby or in their spare time, like you are when you buy something from an actual company.

Many of the excuses were "well we got homework to do, so we cant add features and fix things all the time". Perfectly understandable, like I said XMB is made by 15 year olds IIRC (at least the main developer was 14 last I checked). The ppl who develop vB get paid, so they dont have the luxury of delaying releases and patches because they have homework, or when they feel like it. Nothing is going to beat support when it comes from ppl who get paid to support you, not by hobbyists who only support you if they feel like it..


You must think vb looks like shit too seeing as how they are almost exactly the same in appearance.

please. XMB copied much of vB's look and they are trying to mimic vB, just like OpenBB. The versions I used look more like old UBB 5.x. The layout and buttons look very similar to vB. I also remember a rumor about how XMB had some mighty similar code to vB. I wont say if it was true or not that they were stealing the code, but I sure wouldnt put it past them.

Besides, look isnt what Im complaining about. I actually think XMB looks pretty good for a free board (even if its not exactly original). Its how it runs and works that I dont like. It is simply unreliable and buggy. Everything XMB can do, vB can do 10x better.

Maybe if you actually *used* the full version of vB (im betting you used the lite version) for more than a few minutes you could have some contention in your argument, but you dont. I've actually *used* both boards for months so Im not spreading FUD out of my ass, and based on my experience you couldnt PAY me to use XMB over vB.

But, XMB isnt bad, and for a free board it looks ok, but its hardly comparible to vBulletin. Perhaps an ok alternative for those who dont wanna cough up the cash (which is a mistake, if your at all serious about putting up a forum and expect traffic, just buy vBulletin or UBB or any commercial board) but in no way can you compare XMB and a superior product like vB on the same plane. There is no comparison. Its like comparing a moped (xmb) to a BMW (vB).

If I had to suggest a free board to use, I would choose OpenBB or phpBB over XMB if youre looking at the mySQL/PHP route, or Ikonboard for a flatfile board. If you wanna save yourself some headaches and angiush, forget about XMB.

But to each his own I guess.

[run2thesun]

Man I wish I had the money to buy vB :D

Mel.

[hello]

HAHA, check out my board guys

www.ochroma.net/forum

Vb is the best all the way,
of course mine is heavily hacked thu, heavily:)

[Mr. Popularity]

Yeah, you have to be a good programmer to use XMB. I mean... someone's gotta fix the bugs, right? hahaha XMB sucks. vBulletin has absolutely no bugs in it whatsoever.

[anvil82]

Originally posted by Mr. Popularity
vBulletin has absolutely no bugs in it whatsoever.

I dont think there is any software without bugs. :)

[Neo]

vBulletin has absolutely no bugs in it whatsoever. [/B]
You just keep telling yourself that, ever wondered why people hack MS so much?

I hate knock-offs, every one wants to make their forums just like VB.
thats like saying 'i hate it when other companies make a car with 4 wheels, theyre just ripping the others off'.

There is no forum script that is better than VB.
Lost for words on that one, maybe you should get out more?

vb 2.2.1 best purchase i made. its excellant and support is better than almost any other.
I do howver agree with that. the one and only reason to buy from a company is the 'support' you get. just remeber to keep it updated.

P.S. incase any of you reading this make sure you have the latest version of your BB's.

On a selection of BB's, Within minutes anonymous users can sign up and give themselves admin privs (believe me it works, i've done it on some of my friends) they were lucky it was me and not someone else, they are now Patched (not hacked as some of you like to call updates/upgrades/patches etc.) Learn the difference.

If you have hign traffic or many members check your boards security updates Now!

Neo

[MikeCLovett]

Well I am running before this thread ignites....

[Neo]

LMAO, you following me :)

Um, yup was a bit harsh wasnt it but hey, some of you guyz have gotta understand, a product is only as good as the support behind it.

Neo

Think ill go take a holiday :)

[Koss]

thanks for the response guys....but I have to admit the support on vb is absolutely amazing, & its one of the top reason vb is so good.

[anvil82]

Originally posted by Neo

they were lucky it was me and not someone else, they are now Patched (not hacked as some of you like to call updates/upgrades/patches etc.) Learn the difference.


Who made that mistake, when hello said his forum was hacked, he was talking about addons probalby from www.vbulletin.org

[Neo]

yes addons / updates / patches etc (not hacks as many people like to call them)


And no I dont disrupt or Hack other peoples sites, I am not a child nor do I do childish things. Far from it, I try and prevent people from being victims of 'the kiddies'.

But what can you do? Its like fighting a loosing battle these days, there's too much software around with poor security, if you publish something about the 'flaws', some little kiddie will get hold of the code and abuse it.

programmers should start thinking about what they are programming, and any programmer who users clear text passwords in thier cookies should be shot.

Neo.

[xsynthesis]

eeps. Vbulletin is kinda pricey for me now. I would love to use it though, there are other community bulletin boards that I visit that use it . :)

anyway, are there any free or lower cost bulletin board programs out there that anyone would recommend? I think my service (??) came with an OpenBB that I wouldn't mind trying out. It looks neat, so maybe I could use that (hopefully it won't kill our server this time). :)

Thanks in advance for your help/suggestions.



... Pamela

[tbj]

Originally posted by xsynthesis
(hopefully it won't kill our server this time). :)


Does this mean you are back in business, so to speak?

[xsynthesis]

LOL.


Terrific! Looks like I am. ;)


Thank you HR .... !!!!

[josephs6]

VBulletin is the best because they keep checking for bugs, there are always bugs in software cause humans arent perfect, and anything we make wont be perfect. But since we pay for VB they can afford all these people to keep checking for errors, and bugs and other things like that, VB set the standard for Boards, everyone has taken there look and some how changed it so that it is like theres, But If you can afford VB, then I guess then those others are good for you but If you can afford it is the best Board you can spend your money on.

[Jedi]

I had vB also.
before i bought vB, i almost bought UBB... lol... later find out it's $40 different, and UBB is lagging with heavy forums and not as powerful as vB

I've seen vB boards with about a millions post and still run smooths.. is there any way a board written in Perl with about 1000K posts run smoothly like those in php and use MySQL..? hell no..

Jedi

[xTempestx]

phpBB2 is great, Its almost as good a VB its free and i like the Style template they have. But i use it mainly because its free. If i had the cash id prolly pick up Vb if After phpBB2 comes out full version it was still better.

[xsynthesis]

LOL. okay okay, i get the gist, Vbulletin is the board that the gods use.

Okay, but i don't think I could afford the hundred or so bucks. :)

Has anyone used OpenBB? I'm working on that for our site right now, and so far its looking pretty snazzy. Hostrocket seems to like 'em.

[David Copeland]

Originally posted by DesignQueue
XMB runs just fine. www.xmbforum.com
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[David Copeland]

Originally posted by xsynthesis
eeps. Vbulletin is kinda pricey for me now. ... Pamela
We have owned ours from the start, and the annual subscription for unlimited tech support and upgrades is . . . about $30/year.

[David Copeland]

Originally posted by josephs6
VBulletin is the best because they keep checking for bugs, there are always bugs in software cause humans arent perfect, and anything we make wont be perfect. But since we pay for VB they can afford all these people to keep checking for errors, and bugs and other things like that, VB set the standard for Boards, everyone has taken there look and some how changed it so that it is like theres, But If you can afford VB, then I guess then those others are good for you but If you can afford it is the best Board you can spend your money on.
Our Hostrocket Reseller is also a VBulletin Specialist.

[David Copeland]

Originally posted by xsynthesis
LOL. okay okay, i get the gist, Vbulletin is the board that the gods use.

Okay, but i don't think I could afford the hundred or so bucks. :)

Has anyone used OpenBB? I'm working on that for our site right now, and so far its looking pretty snazzy. Hostrocket seems to like 'em.
Then why is the Hostrocket Support Forum run on VBulletin software? [wink]

[HRMelissa]

Because I haven't figured out how to port us over to it yet... its not that pressing of an issue.

[xsynthesis]

LOL. You guys are like car salesmen. ;)

As much as I'd like the *best* forum for my site if at all possible, our site is a small community site and I'll be the only admin so i don't need anything grand .

I'm paying for too many internet services as is it (and I owe on a bill for one of my other domains too ... sigh) , so I'm in the market for a free bbs. That's one of the reasons why i took the board off of Ezboard to begin with 'cause i wasn't about to pay for it and i didn't like the ads. :)

I'm using OpenBB because HR has the set up right in the control panel and like i said, so far so good.

I wouldn't mind hearing other people's experiences.

... Pamela

[Brendan]

Because we want to help support and promote openbb. :)

-Brendan

[Jedi]

so will you sell your license of vB at a cheaper price?
:D
that would be nice

Jedi

[tlp]

You get what you pay for...IE:
XMB=Free........Toy
vB=$100.00.....Professional
Plus XMB is GONE...Toast...No More

[Aragorn450]

It's all just a matter of what you are looking for...

I'm going to be using OpenBB because it seems to work pretty well, and it's being heavily developed right now and of course has the bonus of being free....

Besides, for me... OpenBB seems to work just as well as vBulletin does here... It's all just a matter of personal preference.

Some prefer vBulletin because you get better support and it's probably a bit more stable. Some prefer the free ones because they're free and they want to support the people who are spending so much time working on them.

Either way, it doesn't matter too much. If the software does what you want it to do... then that's all that really matters... Right? :)

Charlie

[xTempestx]

Ok if your looking for a good free BB the best one out there that ive seen is phpBB2, you can find there siteHere (http://phpbb.sourceforge.net/phpBB2/), I've been running mine a couple of months and it works great.

Just my opinion

[JustinSurfer]

Originally posted by xTempestx
Ok if your looking for a good free BB the best one out there that ive seen is phpBB2, you can find there siteHere (http://phpbb.sourceforge.net/phpBB2/), I've been running mine a couple of months and it works great.

Just my opinion
I don't think they are looking for a free BB, I think they are trying to help support OpenBB, and as it comes with CPanel (older versions and future versions, but not present!), which is the control panel that hostrocket uses, it would make the most sense, and is similar to these forums.

That said I would prefer it if they kept using vBulletin because I think it looks that little more professional in my opinion :)

[xTempestx]

Ah, I love VB but since phpBB2 is almost the same feature wise and very close in looks but is free i would tend to use it for any non comercail website just to save cash. and its Open source with great support.

[manzarek]

Does hostrocket give us the latest version of openbb? I just installed it and get the impression that there is a newer version that the release candidate 2 that you offer. There are problems with this version, particulary that you cannot delete old forums or catergories. Is their a newer release you can upgrade to?

Thanks,

Rich

[Aragorn450]

Not at the moment... RC2 is currently the latest and greatest. However, they are workin on a full 1.0 release which should be available soon. Then the full 2.0 (which is what RC2 kinda is) will be a few months (6? 12? who knows? :)) after that.

For information on new releases of OpenBB, you can go to www.openbb.net or community.iansoft.net.

Charlie

[manzarek]

Ah right - so any reason why I can't delete my forums and categories there? You click on delete, and it just simply refreshes the page, without removing the forum or category you wanted deleted.
I checked out openbb support pages, and they said it will be incorporated into future releases - surely this can't be right? Pretty useless if you cant actually delete old forums and categories, or if you make mistakes when creating them.... dont you think?

Rich

[Aragorn450]

That is rather odd because I can delete them on the OpenBB installation I have.

You might want to try installing OpenBB again (download it from www.openbb.net) and see if that fixes the problem. Their install process is VERY painless and that might well fix your problem.

However, if you go that route, it is highly suggested that you do not try to upgrade the board, but rather do a new install (it's part of the steps that setup.php takes you through) which means it will delete all board data.

I hope you can get the problems fixed...

Charlie

[David Copeland]

Originally posted by melissa
Because I haven't figured out how to port us over to it yet... its not that pressing of an issue.


Please post a sample board that I can see on one of your servers.

I'd like to compare.

Thanks.

David

[David Copeland]

Originally posted by manzarek
There are problems with this version, particulary that you cannot delete old forums or catergories.
Oh gosh!

There goes the ballgame. ;)

(And how long before it is no longer free?)

[David Copeland]

Originally posted by David Copeland

Please post a sample board that I can see on one of your servers.

I'd like to compare.

Thanks.

David
Never mind. I just went to http://community.iansoft.net/

This looks VERY close to VBulletin tags.

It certainly is clean looking. Did HR develop it?

I also did not see any release version being used at http://community.iansoft.net/

What release it that?

How long before it is in my Control Panel at Host 25?

Thanks. (I have another small board project that may suit it.)

David

[Aragorn450]

The version being used in the community there at Iansoft is what will be 1.0 of OpenBB but yes, it is not available yet. However, if you so wished, you could make your board look like the one at the Iansoft community as the templates for the way everything looks are customizable. It will remain to be free to the best of my knowledge as well (however, I wouldn't mind paying for it myself...).

Lastly, HR did not develop it, but they are helping with the project. The developers are working on their own for the project (at least as far as I know).

I do not have the problems with deleting that has been reported here (although I recall a mention of that in the iansoft boards as well) but I am probably using a slightly newer version than is available through the control panel (I am using RC 2.3 vs the RC 2.1 that I THINK is available through the CP).

Hope that answers your questions David :-)

Charlie

[feben]

http://www.woltlab.de/en/news.php

They have a pretty nice FREE bulletin board. But I would agree that vB is by far the best you can get right now.. uBB just can't compare. Anyways that Burning Board is pretty fast.. You can see a online demo of their new version in German here (http://www.woltlab.de/de/forum/)

[tlp]

Any one use this board;
http://www.woltlab.de/en/forum/main.php?styleid=1&sid=c24d6729e44de5284df4775eb968f576
Looks very familiar????
I wanted to test it but could not get it to load...hummm
more beer..

[enuf]

If so... How... and is it worth my time? I'm on Economical HR plan... Any1 know how I can make my own message board?

-eNUF

TanarusCUTS.com (http://www.tanaruscuts.com)

[Damian]

Yeah, you could...but seriously, do you REALLY want to, especially with all the excellent (and free!) forums that are out there?

D

[Asendin]

i do :)

http://www.asendtechnologies.com/vb/index.php

[Chrysalis]

openbb looks promising and woltlab burning board is also very good, although I believe the next version of wbb will cost money.

[tlp]

I now use:
http://forums.ikonboard.com/
There are Many features on this board...works very nice.
You can modfy it to your liking...

[anvil82]

Originally posted by tlp
I now use:
http://forums.ikonboard.com/
There are Many features on this board...works very nice.
You can modfy it to your liking...

just dont have more than 3 people on at once :p

[tlp]

Why is that? I have had 5 on at one time and no probs...

[tlp]

Sorry...make that 11 last night. Ran smooth as silk..
These folks will help you set it up, if need be
www.ibhelp.net

[Mr. Popularity]

isn't this thread kinda old and worn out?

[Koss]

Originally posted by anvil82


just dont have more than 3 people on at once :p

LOL !!
tlp, he's being sarcastic. ikonboard if fine when you dont have too many members, but once the members increase, so do the problems. And if you dont have any knowledge about perl, then you are pretty much screwed.
btw it seem that you are using Vb know...

[tlp]

Yep I use vb and IB, cause ib is free and I can change a lot of things right from the cp.
vb is still the way to go...