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prymal

01-25-2002, 05:07 PM

matrix,

unfortunately your inquiry is extremely vague. how is anyone to know what exactly you need help on if you state that you need help on items you haven't yet learned??

i think you may need to sharpen up on your communication skills a bit. i'd be glad to help, but if you need help on stuff you don't know, how am i to know what it is that you don't know?

right now, it could be generally assumed that you don't know much of anything. :D

tHeMaTriX|L|

01-25-2002, 06:34 PM

arghh you dont understand

I know what i want to do, i have a vision of what i want to be done, but the stuff, i cannot do..Its like i want to do something with PHP, but i have never learned PHP before.. Get it?

I know what i want to do, I've seen finished products of what i want to do, its just that I need help producing it..:D

DCE

01-25-2002, 06:41 PM

What do you want to do with PHP?
There's plenty of pre-made scripts out there.
That is the best way of starting to code, just install a pre-made and start hacking it.
The only way that you'll ever be able to maintain your site is if you know at least the basics of the code you are using.
Let us know what it is you want and we'll see if we can point you in the right direction.

BTW we do understand, we've all been there!

tHeMaTriX|L|

01-25-2002, 07:04 PM

can anyone find me over a instant chat program, all my information is located in my signature, itll be much easier, i dont want to be writing 100000000000000000+ words here!

DCE

01-25-2002, 07:10 PM

Have a look here
http://www.hotscripts.com/PHP/Scripts_and_Programs/Chat_Scripts/

tHeMaTriX|L|

01-25-2002, 07:12 PM

nah i need to talk to someone 1on1 thru instant messenging to give them a clear understanding..

DCE

01-25-2002, 07:28 PM

Mis-understood you there.
Look, if you take your questions down the private IM route, nobody else will benefit. The whole idea of keeping the threads archived is to help others as well as the guy asking the questions. Just keep it in the forum and we'll try our best to help. It's getting late over here in the UK so I'm calling it a day for now.

tHeMaTriX|L|

01-25-2002, 07:34 PM

thanx so far, but the problem is, some of those scripts that you sent to me in the link have like, POWERED BY, HOSTED BY things, i want one where there isnt any of that stuff, because then my web page wont look as good..

like bannerless, adless stufff :)

Shawn Weeks

01-25-2002, 08:15 PM

Where are you from?

I know you're not American - practice your English skills a little more. :)

tHeMaTriX|L|

01-25-2002, 09:06 PM

Im CANADIAN and i know more english than you :)

Its just that im in a rush and im frustrated

Shawn Weeks

01-25-2002, 09:20 PM

Oh, that explains it. Or - not.

steffield

01-25-2002, 09:21 PM

Canadian - that says it all ;)

Been there twice and loved it

If you can find a free script on www.hotscripts.com or www.cgi-resources.com then I'll customize it up a bit for ya. My yahoo id is spoondevil if ya wanna chat on it.

Ian

tHeMaTriX|L|

01-25-2002, 10:55 PM

Ahhh i dont have Yahoo, i have AOL AIM, MSN, iRC, ICQ, but not yAhoo :( !

Reaver

01-26-2002, 03:58 AM

[quote]Canadian - that says it all

Been there twice and loved it [/qupte]

I'm glad you had a good experience up here... sometimes people's igloos melt, and that puts them off the whole experience :D

prymal

01-26-2002, 11:04 AM

well, it's obviously not that big of a rush because you still haven't clued any of us in to what you're looking for.

so we know it's php. fine. but what do you want done in php? what are you trying to achieve? what are you having troubles with?

you could have avoided all of these senseless posts by posting the above information in your very first post. now, it's been two days and are you any closer to your goal? i didn't think so. that's because you haven't communicated anything to us that will help you.

my friend, it's back to english 101 for you.

:cool:

Mr. Popularity

01-26-2002, 12:35 PM

geez, you don't have to be rude to the poor kid, if you can't or don't want to help him, just ignore the posts, or do you thrive on making fun of others?

tHeMaTriX|L|

01-26-2002, 01:34 PM

good luck reading endless posts :)
you asked for it hehe

ill write you 10 pages after i eat hold on!

tHeMaTriX|L|

01-26-2002, 02:14 PM

This is the first thing i want to do. First, i want to have a Members Section in my website for only people who are part of my organization. They will have a login username and password for their account, and they will be required to type in a Username and Password in the mainpage to login. Now this is how i want it to work. Only i can create accounts for them, and i can modify, delete them and what not. And that the members have only access to certain parts of the site that REGULAR PUBLIC STRANGERS can not access, because the information is confidential and i do not want others to look at it. Now what do i need, CGI or PHP?

DCE

01-26-2002, 02:30 PM

Sraight forward .htaccess should do that, just go to your *directory protection* in the control panel and follow the links to protect certain directories.

It can also easily done with simple PHP or PHP/MySQL
Let us know how you get on

tHeMaTriX|L|

01-26-2002, 03:18 PM

i have it in .htacess but i dont like it, i want one where users can directly enter in a username and password in the MAIN PAGE, then click login and it brings them into members page..
so that requires cgi or php........

DCE

01-26-2002, 03:40 PM

This one looks OK
http://www.phpsecurepages.f2s.com/
You should be able to intergrate the login page into your homepage

tHeMaTriX|L|

01-26-2002, 03:48 PM

hmmmm do you think you can chat with me over IM program because i dont really understand something.....

PS, for .htaccess, is it possible to integrate the login into the main page without that screen popping up asking for authorization?

DCE

01-26-2002, 04:13 PM

I don't use any type of IM
If you have any specific questions, just ask them here, somebody will pick them up.
Besides, I've been drinking for about an hour now so very soon i'll start getting incoherent:D

tHeMaTriX|L|

01-26-2002, 04:13 PM

PS, for .htaccess, is it possible to integrate the login into the main page without that screen popping up asking for authorization?

by the way i dont know how good that php thing is, and i dont wanna type 200 paragraphs asking questions man!!!

DCE

01-26-2002, 04:22 PM

I can't think of any way to use .htaccess intergrated into a page without getting the alert box

tHeMaTriX|L|

01-26-2002, 06:51 PM

ok then forget it this whole login thing, since .htaccess does the job anyways...... now onto the next thing...........

prymal

01-28-2002, 12:41 PM

well, you can have a screen with the login/password w/o the standard alert box that will take the .htpasswd and .htgroup info.

create a javascript file (maybe "auth.js") with the following lines and call it from in between your <head></head>

function Login(form) {
var username = form.username.value;
var password = form.password.value;
var server = form.server.value;
if (username && password && server) {
var auth = "http://" + username + ":" + password + "@" + server;
window.location = auth;
}
else {
alert("Enter your username and password.");
}
}

next, add the following to your html where you want the client access to be:

<form name=login>
<input type="hidden" name="server" value="www.yourhost.com/securefolder/">
<table>
<tr>
<td align="right" width="75" class="norm">Username: </td>
<td width="75"><input class="input" size="10" name="username"></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td align="right" width="75" class="norm">Password: </td>
<td width="75"><input class="input" type="password" size="10" value name="password"></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td width="75"></td>
<td width="75"><input class="button" onclick="Login(this.form)" type="button" value="Login" name="button"></td>
</tr>
</table>

and there you have it.

mr. popularity, if matrix said this to begin with, yes, i could have helped him much, much sooner. :D

Mr. Popularity

01-28-2002, 01:33 PM

hmmmmmmmmmm

tHeMaTriX|L|

01-28-2002, 03:42 PM

uhh prymal it doesnt work welll.. a first grader can crack it easily..
i tried what you said, i tested the page out and the page where i wanted the client to go, it asked for a username + password to go to the client page, which is kind of necessary.. secondly, the same window popped up asking for username and password, i typed random stuff in and it let me in.. hmmmmmm

prymal

01-28-2002, 05:15 PM

huh?

the dialog box will only come up if you enter an invalid login/passwd, which is what you must have done.

i highly doubt a first grader could crack the encryption of an .htpasswd file. i'd pay money to see that.

as for why it accepted a bogus password, it's definitely something on your side... you must not have set something up properly.

if you mean having the login/password up at the top, a simple perl script will fix that.

you'll need to add the following in your root .htaccess file:

Redirect /securefolder http://www.yourdomain.com/cgi-bin/group.pl

then create a file in your cgi-bin called group.pl (or whatever name you choose):

#!/usr/bin/perl

use CGI;

$user=$ENV{'REMOTE_USER'};
my $site="http://www.yourdomain.com";

my $x = new CGI;

if ($user eq "add_user_name_here") { print "Location: $site/securefolder/\n\n"; exit; };
print "Location: $site/redirected_folder_or_file\n\n"; exit;

chmod 755 and you're ready to go.

now, this is what i call first grader stuff. :)

tHeMaTriX|L|

01-28-2002, 06:03 PM

uhhhhhh
a little too complex for me?

can you like write a tutorial from step #1 to last step for this whole thing, i dont get it one bit..

plz contact me on instant messenging so u can help me!?

Shawn Weeks

01-28-2002, 06:58 PM

First he says:

uhh prymal it doesnt work welll.. a first grader can crack it easily..

Then he says:

a little too complex for me?

Funny. That's all. :)

---

I would honestly help you, but I'd snap. I just don't have the patience.

tHeMaTriX|L|

01-28-2002, 08:12 PM

i dont think u understand english :)

i said that i typed in a random password and username and it still brought me to the members only page, which it shouldnt :)
so a first grader would type in anything and they would get access :)

now to fix the problem, its complex :)

Shawn Weeks

01-28-2002, 08:53 PM

No, it's not. He just explained it to you, clearly.

tHeMaTriX|L|

01-29-2002, 12:40 AM

Why are you posting stupid messages Shawn, i dont understand it, so im asking for him to explain to me more clearly, ive done what he says, it aint working, if ur not here to help then can you please stop posting here k thnx

theomania

01-29-2002, 04:18 AM

This is hilarious... im going to get some popcorn...

tHeMaTriX|L|

01-29-2002, 10:25 AM

no, this is stupid, im asking for help, i dont understand something, and all you useless people post useless and helpless replies..

prymal

01-29-2002, 10:43 AM

matrix,

i really don't know what else to tell you. i can only help you out, i can't do your work for you. i'm a busy guy in the corporate world and don't have time to write a step-by-step tutorial, even though it seems as though i've done just that.

if your authentication accepts any password, then *you* messed it up somehow. the first script i posted has nothing to do with authentication... it's merely a gateway for the authentication. which means you need to have your .htpasswd and/or .htgroup files set up correctly. do a search on those two if you don't know what they are or do.

as for it being complicated, it's actually very simple. just read it, try it out, and if all else fails, re-read it again... and so on.

maybe i should be sorry i offered my assistance in the first place.

DCE

01-29-2002, 11:56 AM

Originally posted by tHeMaTriX|L|
no, this is stupid, im asking for help, i dont understand something, and all you useless people post useless and helpless replies..

My old mother used to say (as mothers do) *don't bite the hand that feeds you*
You, my friend are getting your teeth very close to one or two hands!

If Prymal had wrote that script for me and I couldn't get it to work, I don't think I would have replied the way you did i.e. telling him it was a useless bit of code.
If you can't get a script to work that someone else has taken the time to write for you, take the time to try it again. If you still can't get it to work, politely ask where YOU may have gone wrong and ask for further instructions, don't just assume that the script was bad.
Ever thought of applying for the diplomatic service? :D

tHeMaTriX|L|

01-29-2002, 02:03 PM

Prymal and DCE i appreciate your help..

Theomania and Shawn Weeks i dont appreciate you..

I have tried what you said 3 times and it still wont work..

Can you do it for me to show me where i went wrong?

Shawn Weeks

01-29-2002, 02:51 PM

Fine. I'll help you.

Keep trying. It's a simple concept, as well as a good one. If you can't keep it, keep trying. 3 times. 8 times. 20 times.

Keep trying. It works - you'll figure it out.

Mr. Popularity

01-29-2002, 03:34 PM

DUHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!! did ANY of you geniuses bother to tell the kid to check his .htaccess file for one of the following:

require valid-user

or

the full/path/to/.htpasswordfile

geesh. And its a real wonder why the real programmers have REAL jobs.

prymal

01-29-2002, 03:46 PM

mr un-popularity...

my so-called "tutorial" was based on him having the above set up correctly and i do believe that i mentioned that in one or two of my posts.

i can't hold everybody's hand.

and besides, i never claimed to be a programmer. :)

<edit>
if matrix pasted the entire contents of his .htaccess, .htpasswd and .htgroup files, then we might have solved this a bit earlier. but instead he kept exclaiming that it didn't work. we're not psychic here.
</edit>

Mr. Popularity

01-29-2002, 04:02 PM

Hmm... I may be unpopular in a message board, by your standards, however Arbitron rates my radio show #6 out of 42 in the Boston market... anyway....

I do believe in the 'teach a man to fish' theory. If someone gets someone to do something for them, they don't learn how to do it the next time on their own, thus bringing them back for more help. A lot of people sign up for hosted services with the expectation that its easy to do, and they soon thereafter learn the harsh reality of web development.

As for the .htaccess file, EVERY time I help with someones .htaccess problem, I ask them to copy and paste the entire contents of their .htaccess file into a reply.

And don't be so sensitive.... I wasn't picking YOU apart... yet. :)

DCE

01-29-2002, 04:27 PM

I take your point Mr Popularity, but he didn't want to give out anything but the absolute minimum info (and that was difficult to get)

BTW, genius? :D I'd still consider myself as a beginner as far as PHP/MySQL is concerned.

Mr. Popularity

01-29-2002, 04:38 PM

Oh, I was just sticking up for the poor kid :)

Hey, DCE, contact me... I have a SQL - CGI integration question for you.

tHeMaTriX|L|

01-29-2002, 04:40 PM

take a chill pill dudez and st0p flamin me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

here is my .htaccess:

AuthName "Clan [nVn] Members Area"
AuthType Basic
AuthUserFile /home/clannvn/public_html/members/.htpasswd
Require valid-user

here is my .htpasswd:

tHeMaTriX:ChcJxqDJqXRwE
Muffin_Man:rgnyppEBhEr6A
ChAoS:tndvqwQOAi4.M
jarodgsr:tnHKXPy20ITCQ
chronic:tnq8De0JnPLDM
tiger_girl:tnk4uWneLqgiw
ringwraith:tnd0yCWJ9s8fs
0pus:tnnU0mkeVb5qY
zkorpion:tnSUF81H9dN.k
Nero:tney7J6suxgQA
KillerInstinct:tn45yu6oEXtLA

BETTER NOW?!

prymal

01-29-2002, 05:09 PM

ok, i'm going to attempt to help you (again)...

what is the url of the folder you are attempting to secure? if it's /members then i suggest you move your .htpasswd (cgi-bin is always a good place for this) to another location and make note of that in your .htaccess file in the /members directory. if not, then we're ok.

so, let's assume that /members is in fact the protected directory...

put the following in your .htaccess file in public_html (not the same .htaccess as mentioned above):

Redirect /members http://www.yourdomain.com/cgi-bin/group.pl

now, create a file in your shell (or upload as ascii via ftp) called group.pl and include the following lines:

#!/usr/bin/perl

use CGI;

$user=$ENV{'REMOTE_USER'};
my $site="http://www.yourdomain.com";

my $x = new CGI;

if ($user eq "tHeMaTriX") { print "Location: $site/members/\n\n"; exit; };
---comment: do the same for every member in your .htpasswd file --
print "Location: $site/index.html\n\n"; exit;

if you examine the code, you can also make it so that certain users will go to certain directories. make sure you chmod 755

i.e. add a line:

if ($user eq "Muffin_Man") { print "Location: $site/members/muffin\n\n"; exit; };

however, then you'll need to create another .htaccess file in your /members/muffin directory like the one that's in your /members directory.

i hope i'm clear this time around.

however, i do need to ask you.... are you ftp'ing these files or are you creating them in the shell? if you're ftp'ing them, try sending it as ascii to see if that remedies the problem.

i know i'm getting repetitive... as this is exactly what i stated before, but hey, maybe you can learn from this. :)

tHeMaTriX|L|

01-29-2002, 05:57 PM

ok, i will attempt for the 9th time...................................................

if it doesnt work im going to shoot myself.. jk
:)

tHeMaTriX|L|

01-29-2002, 06:01 PM

ok here is what my group.pl looks like:

#!/usr/bin/perl

use CGI;

$user=$ENV{'REMOTE_USER'};
my $site="http://www.yourdomain.com";

my $x = new CGI;

if ($user eq "tHeMaTriX") { print "Location: $site/members/\n\n"; exit; };
if ($user eq "Muffin_Man") { print "Location: $site/members/\n\n"; exit; };
if ($user eq "jarodgsr") { print "Location: $site/members/\n\n"; exit; };
if ($user eq "chronic") { print "Location: $site/members/\n\n"; exit; };
if ($user eq "tiger_girl") { print "Location: $site/members/\n\n"; exit; };
if ($user eq "ringwraith") { print "Location: $site/members/\n\n"; exit; };
if ($user eq "zkorpion") { print "Location: $site/members/\n\n"; exit; };
if ($user eq "nero") { print "Location: $site/members/\n\n"; exit; };
if ($user eq "KillerInstinct") { print "Location: $site/members/\n\n"; exit; };

is it correct?

Mr. Popularity

01-29-2002, 06:17 PM

why don't you just use .htacess?

prymal

01-29-2002, 06:28 PM

and don't forget the last line:

print "Location: $site/index.html\n\n"; exit;

and also to replace www.yourdomain.com with "your domain" :)

prymal

01-29-2002, 06:29 PM

and mr. popularity...

don't confuse the poor boy. he's using htaccess... follow the thread before replying next time.

tHeMaTriX|L|

01-29-2002, 07:50 PM

i dont know whats going on.. i tried it and it does not work..

it would have been much easier if you just walked me through it thru instant messenging, so that way you can help me with any problems i encounter at the exact moment..

i bet if you guys walked me through it over instant messenging it would take no longer than 10 minutes..........

Mr. Popularity

01-29-2002, 09:54 PM

Yes Sir, almighty programmer!!! I will now write 100 times....

I will not post stupid replies.
I will not post stupid replies.
I will not post stupid replies.
I will not post stupid replies.

Anyway, since you seem to know a little more Perl than I do, would you be willing to come down from your high-horse for a few minutes to maybe help me with a problem that I'm having???

prymal

01-30-2002, 12:38 PM

mr popular...

no need to be snide. we're all adults here (or some of us are, anyway--no implications intended).

perhaps i can help you if you post it in a different thread. and so could other people. and again, i reiterate, i am not a programmer, nor have i ever claimed to be.

and matrix, unforatunately, i cannot help you via any im's because i'm fairly busy as it is. i'm honestly sorry it didn't work out for you, as it works perfectly fine for me. maybe post your same problem in a "help with .htaccess" forum to see what others can come up with that may be a bit simpler. but what i posted is the way i dealt with it.

i'm sorry, but i've done all i can.

tHeMaTriX|L|

01-30-2002, 02:38 PM

Well if someone just spent 10 minutes walking me through through a Instant Messenging Program it would have saved a loooooooooooooooooooot of trouble and problems :)

flagbrew

01-31-2002, 03:05 PM

Goodness. This has become quite a thread. I can still bartend for ya at 3.25/hr+tips.

DCE

01-31-2002, 03:10 PM

Do bartenders come that cheap in Arizona?
It may be worth shiping you over to the UK and hiring you out :D

flagbrew

01-31-2002, 03:20 PM

DCE, you revealed your location! (at least narrowed it down a bit). I don't bartend much anymore, as I am a professional brewer, but thats the going rate these days, even lower in some pubs. The majority of their income comes through tips, which generally runs in the neighborhood of 18%-20% (split a few ways) of gross bar sales. Making a Friday night worth in the range of $40-50 bucks an hour per bartender. Decent I guess. Wish I made that brewing, or hacking my way through linux administration.