General cost of t1-t3

[sznapsDOTcom]

What do you need for t1-t3 and generally what is the cost? Is there modems? What companies would i go too?

[Viper007Bond]

I believe I heard it was about $800 a month or something. And FYI - T1/T3 isn't all that fast.

[sznapsDOTcom]

What about oc-12? or oc-3

[fac3less]

buddy - thats why there are data centers! so you aren't the one paying 10 grand a month... yes that much.

[vanselus]

Our company uses a T-1 for both voice and data - half and half. Turns out to be plenty fast for internet and WAY cheaper on the phones. If you can't afford a full T-1 every month, and you have more than 8 lines of phone, then I'd suggest it as a possible alternative.

[KLH]

T-3 are pretty fast, but T-1's aren't. But they do include good ping times.

OC lines are way to expensive. It's like $1 a foot from the from phone comany to your house. Plus the couple grand it cost a month to get the internet.
Not to mention, you have to buy thousands of dollars in equipment costs, which is the same with a T1 line, and loop charges.

[vanselus]

But "fast" is so subjective. It depends so much on what you're doing. For me, anything over 500k is bearable. Full T-1 would be nice, but it wouldn't increase my productivity much.

[Viper007Bond]

Which is faster? DS3 or OC-whatever.

[HRGraham]

Here you go:

T1 1.544 Mbps
T3 43.232 Mbps
OC1 51.84 Mbps
OC3 155.52 Mbps
OC12 622.08 Mbps
OC24 1.244 Gbps
OC48 2.488 Gbps
OC192 10 Gbps
OC256 13.271 Gbps
OC768 40 Gbps

[Viper007Bond]

And where does DS3 fit into that list?

[KLH]

Originally posted by Viper007Bond
And where does DS3 fit into that list?

DS3 is the same at a T3
DS1 is also the same as a T1


And to add to Grahams' list
OC-3072 159.252 Gbps

[sznapsDOTcom]

How much does oc-3 cost per month?

[fac3less]

stop kidding yourself. You can't afford it don't worry. If you really want to know the answer go call sprint.

[KLH]

It will be different prices per city/state/country and it will be different price for you, then it would be for your neighbor (as far as your installation goes).


A simple google search found this page
http://www.bandwidthmarket.com/news/listings_article.html
with this info, you can use this as a GUIDELINE

The minimum monthly price for an OC-3 is $11,500/month, whether on a one or three year term. If not subject to the minimum, the three-year OC-3 price has been calculated at $.0165/DS-0/mile/month (rounded up), with 2016 DS-0 circuits per OC-3, and the one-year OC-3 price is $.0185/DS0/mile/month. Installation costs $5,000 and takes 60 days. If the OC-3 price is not the minimum price, the number of miles is the OC-3 monthly price divided by $33.264.

The minimum DS-3 price is $4,000/month. If not subject to the minimum, the three-year DS-3 price is $.0215/DS-0/mile/month (rounded up) with 672 DS-0 circuits per DS-3, and the one-year DS-3 price is $.023/DS-0/mile/month. Installation costs $2,000 and takes 45 days. We also have another set of offers for about 200 city pairs, price, at $.020/DS-0/mile/month.

The minimum T-1 price is $500/month. If not subject to the minimum, the one-year T-1 price is $.075/DS-0/mile/month (rounded up), with 24 circuits per T-1. Installation costs $400 and takes 45 days.

Another set of offers also sets a $500/month minimum T-1 prices, but above the minimum mileage, the price is $0.0575/DS0/mile/month. Installation costs $500 and takes 45 days. These offers connect any of 23 cities to each other.





Prices will be MUCH higher if you don't live in one of their 20 or so cities where this is available.

[KLH]

I found a better page that will include all costs for each different service:

http://www.bandwidthsavings.com/servicessimple.cfm

[fac3less]

and.. kids - thats what datacenters are for. Instead of everyone running a line at 30 grand a month - one place runs 10 of them and 30 thousand people go rent servers from them.

(teehee) try servermatrix/theplanet before you start running out and running your own cables to the local hub.. :b

[Viper007Bond]

Originally posted by fac3less
stop kidding yourself. You can't afford it don't worry. If you really want to know the answer go call sprint.
I think it's more of a if-you-have-to-ask-you-can't-afford-it kinda thing.

[sznapsDOTcom]

My dad's new company runs directly throught e-mail systems and such....The company wants to have a mail server per region, they told my dad too look for a good connection for a resonable price to host a mail/web server. We will probly go with a dedicated server somewere, or colo...but it would have been cool to have my own connection like that....

[KLH]

I would suggest http://www.rackfast.com for a dedicated server. :)

[fac3less]

Hey got any ideas for a non-suck company in canada where I can co-lo my darn servers?!

Wow canadians are incompetent.

I can't colo the thing in U.S. A. or I get nailed with the new web broadcasting laws (until the physical station is up we'd be chancing it)

[Unicorn2]

Originally posted by Viper007Bond
I believe I heard it was about $800 a month or something. And FYI - T1/T3 isn't all that fast.

a t1 is 1.544 mbps (or 150k/second give or take)

a t3 is 45mbps (or 4.5 Megabytes per second, or enough to fill a blank cd in about 2 1/2 minutes..)

t3's, understandably, are considerably more expensive.

OC-12's (which are even faster) are EVEN MORE expensive.. since it's ~~ 622mbps (65 megabytes a second, or so).. fill that cd in 10->11 seconds..

[vanselus]

Didn't we just go over that? :D

How many users do you normally have to have before a T-3 makes sense?

[fac3less]

It doesn't make 'sense' for anyone but large corps, schools and data centers. And they have crazy pipes running into them anyways (OC) etc.

[vanselus]

crazy pipes!

believe me, never run with your crazy pipe. when they break, they're sharp.

[Tammy]

Originally posted by sznapsDOTcom
What do you need for t1-t3 and generally what is the cost? Is there modems? What companies would i go too?

What exactly do you think you need a fast connection for? I have cable, and it regularly gets high speeds, and it is perfectly adequate for me. I think anyone other than a company or school or library or something doesn't need this, but is gotten more for prestige purposes than anything else.

[fac3less]

not just a modem - but a huge tower thingy with about 40 thousand lines running into it. And ugh - sprint, telus, lots of companies run the lines.

You can't afford it though - seriously get aDSL and get happy with it. :b

[johnb]

I just ordered an OC768 PCMCIA card for my laptop, I like to have all that bandwidth attached directly to my machine.

[Viper007Bond]

Originally posted by fac3less
It doesn't make 'sense' for anyone but large corps, schools and data centers. And they have crazy pipes running into them anyways (OC) etc.
Yeah, my school had dual DS3 and it was pretty fast (after divying it up to about 5000 computers or something, I got about 1 MB up & down. Not bad).

My dad's work has fiber - how fast is that?

[vanselus]

Originally posted by johnb
I just ordered an OC768 PCMCIA card for my laptop, I like to have all that bandwidth attached directly to my machine.

What good will that do?

[KLH]

Originally posted by johnb
I just ordered an OC768 PCMCIA card for my laptop, I like to have all that bandwidth attached directly to my machine.

What are you even talking about?

[fac3less]

.. I guess a brand of cards? :b heh..

good luck trying to get OC speeds out of it :b haha.

[Tammy]

Originally posted by johnb
I just ordered an OC768 PCMCIA card for my laptop, I like to have all that bandwidth attached directly to my machine.

I assume you hook up to a special network of some sort, research or school or government or something like that? I can't a use for something like that otherwise.

[vanselus]

I use my OC card when I go down to the AT&T datacenter in Seattle and break in - then I plug the OC768 cable directly into my laptop.

It's so fast, the pages load before I finish typing in the URL!!

Now that's speed!

[fac3less]

I thought that was their special snooping system going into action.. you were really looking at what KLH was looking at.. you didn't notice?

Anyways.. going to google for this OC768 cardliestuff.

[Viper007Bond]

Originally posted by vanselus
I use my OC card when I go down to the AT&T datacenter in Seattle and break in - then I plug the OC768 cable directly into my laptop.

It's so fast, the pages load before I finish typing in the URL!!

Now that's speed!
If only.... :( You know your connection is fast when it's faster than your hard drive. :D

[johnb]

What are you even talking about?

A poor attempt at humor.

OC 768 has a very large diameter, the thought of it attaching directly to a PC card was funny to me. I'll go away now.

[vanselus]

No worries, Jonb - I think most of us were HOPING you were joking! :D

[Unicorn2]

Originally posted by Viper007Bond
Yeah, my school had dual DS3 and it was pretty fast (after divying it up to about 5000 computers or something, I got about 1 MB up & down. Not bad).

My dad's work has fiber - how fast is that?


fiber is just a connection medium.

It's analogous to saying "i've got copper networking cables..how fast will my network be"

It all depends on what kind of connection is on that fiber.

Fibers main purpose is for greater distances, and in use in areas where EM might interfere with normal copper cable.

You can do gigabit over copper (and I hear tell) that some of the 10 gigabit consortium people are using copper for tests...
(4 sets of cables)

[Viper007Bond]

Ah, okay. :/

[KLH]

The school system in our small town did the stupidest thing this year.

They have 2 T1's installed in the Administration building, then have Microwave towers installed at each school to share the 2 T1 lines. Well the local High School is on the outskirts of town, and the trees grew, and they could no longer get a signal. So they origanally got a new wireless system set up from Cisco that would allow them to be connected, and the speeds were not that great, so they went out and ran a fiber optic line to the school. So now the HS is connected via fiber optic to 2 shared T1s. What a waste of money. And the even funnier thing is, all the teachers are complaining now because the network is slower.
And 2 T1s is not enough for the 7 schools that share it.

[Viper007Bond]

Wow... lol

[vanselus]

I'm sure the engineer that had that idea convinced them (and himself) it was the best way possible! I'm always amazed at people who don't get as many opinions as possible to solve a problem...

[johnb]

I'm always amazed at people who don't get as many opinions as possible to solve a problem.

Never underestimate the power of laziness.

[vanselus]

Of course, I also forgot the scientific equasion:

underpaid + underappreciated = lazyness

[sznapsDOTcom]

each one of my schools in my town have there own connection, but, recently the network was really slow so they got new servers, and all our saved documents including college essays for seniors were erased without noticed becasue they didn't back up anything, they say they got a new program "panther" Never heard of it...well anyone back to the internet connection, i swear, we have atleast 300-400 computers on i would think 1 t3, the speeds we get, **a little slower then dial up** They always have it down, the computers are atleast 7 years old and barely work...plus problems were caused because of the crossing of mac os 10 and 9 and windows, along with a windows server

[sznapsDOTcom]

Thanxs everyone for your feed back, My dad decided to get t3 in our new house, its great, I upload pretty fat versus the cable in our old house. We use it for our fones as well, so its all good, thanks for your feed back tho..

[Viper007Bond]

Originally posted by sznapsDOTcom
My dad decided to get t3 in our new house
Umm, unless he's got a few Ferrari's in the garage or runs a hosting company out of his house, I think you're full of ****, no offense.

[vanselus]

Yeah I can't imagine many people in the world want to pay thousands a month for internet/phone... at home.

[sznapsDOTcom]

See, his new company that just highed him, Was complaining how he wasn't sending his prensentations fast enough, so they insisited on getting us a conncetion, (we used to have dial up) so they got us cable, and then the video conferences weren't running well, (they were trying them out) so they split the conncetion that had at his work, with us at our house. (his work is like .35 miles away) We still get a faster speed then our cable, and we can run our phones throught it too.

[fac3less]

not all too hard to believe.. i've seen faster to a house :b

[Viper007Bond]

Ah, your dad's company is paying for it. That makes a little more sense. ;)

[vanselus]

Nope, not hard to believe at all... now. You can absorb those kinds of costs into business easily.

[Tammy]

Hmmm, I can think of a lot of cool stuff I would get if some business would pay for it! First we go for the 60 inch plasma tv, then the new surround sound system, then that digital camera I've had my eye on....

[vanselus]

Well there you go! Time to start your own business.

[fac3less]

and write off everything in your home office as business costs..

60 inch plasma screens and oc12 connections for example. :b

[vanselus]

Cept the IRS makes you prove all that crap. Like you can't write off a home office unless you ONLY use it for business.

[Viper007Bond]

I'll just make my business stuff I normally do. :D

[Tammy]

Originally posted by fac3less
Hey got any ideas for a non-suck company in canada where I can co-lo my darn servers?!

Wow canadians are incompetent.

I can't colo the thing in U.S. A. or I get nailed with the new web broadcasting laws (until the physical station is up we'd be chancing it)

This one may fit the bill:

http://www.wedohosting.com/dedicated-hosting/collocation.htm

[Viper007Bond]

Try hosting.ca (http://www.hosting.ca/).

If you sign up there, let them know I sent you please. :)

[fac3less]

lol.. either of you check those sites out before posting the links?

200 a month + 750 a month for bandwidth..
nice only 950 dollars a month for something i can get for 90 dollars in the states..

lol.

yeah.. i'll be sure to mention you when i tell them they suck viper :b

[Viper007Bond]

I have no experience with dedicated hosting, so... ;)

[fac3less]

I've noticed. :)

Then again neither do I but I still know what I'm not going to pay. Why do canadian prices have to be crazy?

Guess its time to do some serious thinking about the issue.. I'm leaving for canada in less than a week to setup this server.

mutter.

[Tammy]

Just a reminder to alway be clear on which currency they are using, it makes a big difference. :)

[vanselus]

well, considering you won't have to pay the absurd radio licensing fees, even those exorbinate prices for a server might be cheaper than the $90 in the states...