mac users?

[sxtxixtxcxh]

just wondering if there are any other users that develop solely on the os X platform...
and if so, what do you guys use primarily?

i'm using dreamweaver mx and bbedit for the most part.
photoshop of course, for graphics.

problems: dreamweaver sucks on the mac.

[Fuzzylogic]

I don't use one myself, but the guys at work who do use DreamWeaver as well.

[Myke]

dreamwaever is the best website editing program out there

[sxtxixtxcxh]

blechh..
it's okay.. i mean... it's the best but that doesn't say much for it :P

the latest version truly blows on a mac.
macromedia programs run horribly in os x. oh well.

i haven't given adobe golive a try quite yet...

[SnakEyez]

I have used version 6 on the mac and pc. It's ok, the new version 7 that was released is too unstable so far so I have not been brave enough to buy it yet, but it is a lot better. Too bad Adobe did away with LiveMotion that was a great alternative to Flash.

[HRGraham]

Originally posted by sxtxixtxcxh
blechh..
it's okay.. i mean... it's the best but that doesn't say much for it :P

the latest version truly blows on a mac.
macromedia programs run horribly in os x. oh well.

i haven't given adobe golive a try quite yet...

Runs fine on PC. I've seen more than one app run slow in MacOSX. It's a memory hog.

-Graham

[sxtxixtxcxh]

i think it really depends on the developer's port.
photoshop runs great... that might be due to them developing separately for the mac.
in any case, i do need more ram. 512 doesn't cover it in this day and age. especially when you multitask (read: photoshop, dreamweaver, mail, safari: hostrocket forums ;) )

[sxtxixtxcxh]

oh... and i've used dreamweaver on the pc.
i love it.

if bbedit just a good site manager like dreamweaver...

[Fuzzylogic]

I've never heard of the Adobe program, is that a new offering from them?

[intricate]

Never used one.

[Fuzzylogic]

Originally posted by intricate
Never used one.

A Mac or a WYSIWYG editor?

[sxtxixtxcxh]

i think he meant he's never used an adobe wysiwyg web program.

they've had it for a couple years now...
adobe golive.

[Fuzzylogic]

Interesting, I'll have to look into that.

[u6crash]

Yep, I'm using a Mac. And I really like the way Dreamweaver works with it. What problems do you experience with Macromedia products is OS X? I've got the Macromedia MX studio and all the applications work great for me (I'm really only using Flash and Dreamweaver right now).

[sxtxixtxcxh]

it's just a bit laggy... i'm running it on an 800mhz tibook with 512mb of ram...

compared to the way it ran on my 500mhz pentiumIII with 256mb of ram...
omg.. that system sounds soo... archaic.

[u6crash]

Hmm, I've never had any problems with mine, but I wouldn't be surprised if part of the reason is that you're on a laptop compared to a desktop. I've often felt that my 900Mhz G4 runs things faster than a lot of 2Ghz PCs I've used. Of course I've also go 1.2 Gb of ram, so I'm sure that makes a difference.

[vanselus]

Get the latest version of OSX - it runs much leaner than the first release.

[Fuzzylogic]

Well .3 is basically a different OS, really it would be a new OS #, but with all the marketing they put into 10 they wanted to keep using X.

[vanselus]

What technically is different about .3? All I know is that it works like normal (OS 9) again.

[Unicorn2]

we have a few macs in my business. they are there for only a few reasons.

1) To process the information we get from some of our clients that is left in a "mac only" format (i.e. so we can take things out of finalcut pro) and put them into a more 'open' format.

2) To get those customers of ours who are .. 'naive' enough .. to think macs are superior, and are very .. indignant .. about "well, I won't do business with a company that doesn't use macs" (read :: fanboys/zealots)

[sxtxixtxcxh]

sxtxixtxcxh = fanboy
trust me though, there are more fanboys of pc's then there are for mac.. ;)

haha.

it's really a personal choice, ultimately.
i actually LIKE the mac environment.
some people can't handle learning a different o.s. (omg wtf is this ... apple/command key?!).

i like having the main keyboard modifier under my thumb instead of under my pinky. cmd+c is a whole lot easter than ctrl+c.

not to mention having the menu bar across the top beats having to find "file" or "edit" each time i move a window. although apple has made slight changes counter to that whole thing... like putting the application menu where they have it now... not to mention the dock.

i wouldn't say mac's are superior. i'd say 'i loev teh mac os Xz0r!' ;)

in any case, i gotta start building a pc again.

anyone got any good cheap recommendations for hardware... probably gonna be a gaming rig as well. but i don't wanna go all out... just enough to not have to buy another pc for games that will come out in like 6-8months.

[vanselus]

Originally posted by sxtxixtxcxh
i like having the main keyboard modifier under my thumb instead of under my pinky. cmd+c is a whole lot easter than ctrl+c.

I love my mac, but I find it easier to have it under my pinky.

I love my PC too.

Is that possible? Or do you have to be in Utah?

[Tammy]

Back when I was really getting into computers, the rivalry between Apple and pc's was a lot more intense than now. A lot of the "cool" geeks just couldn't abide anything but Apple stuff. In fact, the first box I ever bought was a Macintosh. But I saw which way the wind was blowing, with software being developed more for pc's than for apple, and went the pc route. Have never regretted it. Apples are real big on campus (because Apple donates a lot of hardware to schools), but in the real world, except in special niches, pc's are far and away the standard. Have never regretted learning pc's instead of apple stuff, much more useful and efficient. Cheaper, too.

[sxtxixtxcxh]

not like you wouldn't be able to pick up either.. i mean.. the mac os doesn't exactly have a steap learning curve :P

i happen to be in that special niche. (although it's not so special anymore) most of the print/design work in the past reserved for the mac can now be done on a pc easily.

as far as software is concerned, there almost isn't anything you can't do on a pc that you can't do on a mac (except ctrl+alt+delete :P). not to mention the mac is bundled with (some would say) superior software to what you'd have to buy separately on a pc.

apple needs to redefine themselves.. and they're slowly leaning toward the whole geek side of the pc market with their *nix based os X. it's easy enough for first time users and it's got enough power for the frustrated linux/windows geeks.

honestly, i think the only thing that keeps apple from really taking back the reins is apprehension on the end of the buyer. all the bad marketing apple got in the past combined with the less-than-scrupulous advertising on the pc side really hurt.

:P the lack of gaming doesn't help either. it's not that apple lacks the hardware.. they lack the users. game makers aren't going to develop for the mac until gamers are using the mac. ... and that's not gonna happen until.. game developers make games for the mac.

bungee was a mac friendly developer until they were bought out by microsoft. halo would have been a mac/pc hybrid release like oni.

oh well.. sooner or later people are going to realize they have a choice.

[vanselus]

uh oh.... here comes the flame war.


seriously though, after using both for a couple years (and growing up with mac), I agree with you on most of what you're saying. however, unless i'm way off base, there's the price thing.

AND

the fact is, i'm very good at using both - and the pc is much much faster for many things than the mac. that has nothing to do with apprehension. hell, i'd RATHER use the mac. but the pc is so much better at some things.

[sxtxixtxcxh]

well.. as far as price goes, you gotta consider what you get on a $1000 pc vs what you get on a $1000 mac. for equivalent software you get with the mac you'd have to buy on a pc.

i'm not saying there isn't free software for the pc, (it's all over the place).. im just saying you're not considering the larger picture.

secondly, macs are starting getting cheaper. :P they'd have to if apple wanted to actually sell them to the general public.

[vanselus]

What built-in software are you referring to?

[Fuzzylogic]

You can talk all you want about Macs being easier to use, but all I know is that Macs make up 40% of the computers I do support for yet they comprise 86% of the tasks on my task list...

[sxtxixtxcxh]

well.. i never said macs were easier to use. i DID say, however, that it doesn't have a steep learning curve. i mean, if you've never used a mac, and went up to one, (unless you're a complete idiot) you'd have no problem adjusting.
i also said that i PREFER the way the os is set up... it being better suited to MY computer use preferences.

software: textedit (os X's notepad) has no problem opening word documents.
the whole ilife series (including the garageband :9 /me needs)

and what i'm saying is you can buy all the hardware necessary for a computer tower... you could spend the same amount on comparable hardware for pc and still need to buy an os.
sure you could skimp here and there to cut costs... but note the "comparible hardware".

and the point to all this? 1) mac's don't suck. 2) mac's aren't AS expensive as you might think. 3) do your own research, because no one should tell you what is better for you.

it's all about choice. you think it's right people barely even consider buying a mac because of what basically amounts to as marketing b.s. ? i mean, it's commendable what bill gates has done, and in all honesty, his marketing/business strategies are genius. unfortunately, his products hardly live up to the hype.
don't get me wrong. i think xp is a good o.s. ... much better than the previous versions of windows (but we all know that's not saying much, right? :P )

[vanselus]

Originally posted by sxtxixtxcxh
and the point to all this? 1) mac's don't suck

That's the funniest part to me. Who said macs suck? You don't have to be defensive. I understand there's a lot of rumors that circulate about macs - but mac-lovers make it worse by being for farking defensive!

side note - as i'm typing this on my PC, my mac is at my right elbow distilling the .ps of our new 2004 catalog.

now that's the best of both worlds :)

[sxtxixtxcxh]

i wasn't being defensive.
i was just... trying not to say macs are better than pc's ;)

see..
i'm typing this right now on my mac, while the pc at my elbow is logged into .net studio

in any case...
holy lord van, you got a lot of posts.

[HRGraham]

I think their whole switch campaign would work a lot better if they made the OS X operating system for PC's. I definitely have an interest in Apple and wouldn't mind shelling out 100 bucks or whatever it costs for the OS license. However, I'm not going to put down over 1k on a computer/OS I've never used before and may not enjoy. I think this would help with a lot of people that aren't crazy about Windows and are looking for alternatives.

I think Windows XP is solid. It seems like most Mac users basically say "its better than previous version but nothing special". I run XP on several machines and it does everything I want it to do with little configuration. It is also incredibly stable. I can't even remember the last time I've had to reboot my machine at home.

I do have one question for all the Mac users. Would you had bought a Mac if the design of the computer and OS wasn't good looking? I think not.

-Graham

[sxtxixtxcxh]

that's like saying to pc users: would you ahve bought a pc if it wasn't for the games?

you're trying to lump all mac users to fit your stereotype and that not going to work. i can't believe you really think that was a valid argument.

but i agree, if they did license os X out to pc vendors they'd attract more fans... but.. that's only half the picture. the users would end up staying on a pc for the cheaper hardware. and i think most of apples money goes into their hardware.

they licensed the iPod to HP... so maybe licensing os x isn't so far fetched anymore.

i didn't say xp wasn't anything special. i said that saying it was better than previous versions of windows... really doesn't mean anything considering how bad the other's were. anyway, i like xp.

[Tammy]

If Apple would license their stuff and get some competition going price-wise, I would be a lot more interested in considering going with them again. Over the years, incidentally, I have noticed the Apple portions of the stores I go to getting smaller and smaller - used to be an entire floor, then half the floor, then a portion of the floor off in the corner somewhere, sometimes behind a forbidding archway into a separate room. I think they have a bit of an image problem these days, frankly. But I have nothing really against them, the pc route just meets my particular needs. And I sometimes look over while in airplanes at guys with nice big Mac laptops with their nice graphics with a bit of envy at how the movies they are watching look. :)

[fac3less]

I don't game.. very often.. so I think if I can't get my iMac from my friend I'm going to get a mac as my desktop system.. and a new pc laptop..

We'll see though..

(I never game anymore, I hate games)

[Viper007Bond]

Originally posted by sxtxixtxcxh
that's like saying to pc users: would you ahve bought a pc if it wasn't for the games?
I still wouldn't buy one if I didn't game...

[HRGraham]

My first computer was a Mac and I hated it(OS 7.x/8.x). It was incredibly unstable and it didn't do everything I wanted it to. When I got my PC it did everything I wanted it to do(it was also much more stable). It also has to do with having a computer which nobody else has. Most people use AIM because it is the most widely used chat protocol. Using a Mac is like being the person on MSN or Yahoo with an empty buddylist.

-Graham

[sxtxixtxcxh]

lol..
good way to put it, graham... but... not necessarily true.

system 7, 8, 9... heh..
that's like saying you don't like pc's cause windows 3.1 sucked.

it's true.. either way you go, you got a computer. and really, either way you go, it's not terribly much different, while at the same time being almost worlds apart.

i'll be getting a pc desktop sooner or later.
hopefully sooner.

ironically, i'm wearing my hook-ups "pc's suck" shirt. ;) while sitting at my work desk... which has my mac laptop and a pc on it.. i'm working primarily on the pc for now... surfing through sites, gathering research and shtuff.

[fac3less]

I really don't see how os 9 could be compared to win 3.1.. I mean you used it up until 2003 eh? :)

Now.. os 7/8.. yeah thats getting old.. 95ish type deal.

Anyways.. oddly today I'm not in a chatty-kathy mood so I'll leave it at that.

Correct me if I'm wrong (you'd do it anyways :b)

[sxtxixtxcxh]

heh.. no.. you're right.

and i know places that still work on os 9.
as far as i know they still are.

sad for them.

but i meant it more like.. graham's talkin history :P

not sure which of the two (xp or osx) is more stable now... but either way you go, they're both pretty damned good. xp if you're into windows. osx if you're into *nix.

and by saying no one uses a mac... why the need to have the same computer everyone else is using? and secondly, you can find other mac users out there. omg. there's this thing called.. teh internet.. it, like, brings people from all over teh world...
;) just messing with ya.

i'm trying not to do any work today. for some reason. but i know i should get back to it.

[Tammy]

I've invested way too much in pc software of one sort or another to switch now, come to think of it. Peripherals and such, too.